Reflecting on Fall 2025, the duo described a recurring cycle of negativity he witnessed in meetings, ranging from gossip to openly speaking poorly about others, saying that the industry created a culture in which putting people down is the way to rise. de la Vergne encouraged the audience to continue practicing healthier ways to bond with colleagues and partners.
“We’ve created a culture where being able to deal in gossip and essentially put people down is a way to work your way up,” De la Vergne said. “Trust is a necessary currency, from an individual deal all the way out to an ecosystem, all the way out to a global economy. If you don’t have trust, it just won’t happen.”
For example, Staebler explained that people often enter interactions over-prepared for every possible scenario, which can create unnecessary friction.
“Ultimately, it’s about being able to work with someone, recognizing your common goals, and continuing to move forward together, even when things get hard or scary,” Staebler said. “We were able to build a level of individual trust … and since then, that’s translated into a 28-point [Memorandum of Understanding] and a joint funding proposal together that got funded.”